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the planet surfing masters almost surely

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have a plan this clearly maybe something

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there beyond the realm of man and until

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already tested every class goes just in

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time the more you think you know the

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less you really do that's true dr. Zaius

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where would we be without because we

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all right higher side chatters today

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we're going deep into the broad and

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sweeping subject matter that falls under

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the umbrella term of Gnosticism because

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Gnosticism weaves itself throughout many

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areas of interest for conspiracy

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enthusiasts from the use of ritual magic

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and its influence on secret societies to

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the idea of nefarious reptilian overlord

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entities in the very process of

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awakening itself it also goes without

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saying that the various orders and

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groups we consider under the term often

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share the commonality of being a thorn

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in the side of authority orthodoxy and

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the controller's of their day folks it

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seems that even though Gnostic ideas is

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out of nearly every conspiratorial

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orifice sometimes we have a tendency to

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play fast and loose with buzzwords we

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really haven't taken the time to dig

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deeper into so that's what today is

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about Nifty's are in fact ideas that

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ruffled the feathers of the power

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pyramid of the past it would be quite a

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disservice to only know the cliff notes

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so pack your glass and park your ass

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because today we got the true Pope of

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Gnostic podcasting Miguel Conner here to

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show us the light Miguel has been the

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host and producer of a on byte Gnostic

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leading scholars writers and researchers

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in this very niche and he's extracted

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much of his guests incredible insights

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and compiled two hefty texts entitled

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voices of Gnosticism and the recently

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released other voices of Gnosticism a

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man my favorite Wizard is called a

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walking talking Library of Alexandria

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Miguel my man welcome to the higher side

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oh thanks for having me in a wonderful

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introduction the poke of Gnosticism

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blessed are these and/or curse that are

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the after this interview right and then

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and it is a real pleasure to have you

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here you're clearly knowledgeable about

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this stuff and while I typically try to

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can I sort of make an exception for the

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can't feel a little Christian II but

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and rebellious and damn near sci-fi but

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it is a big umbrella and it can be a

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loaded term give us a better idea of

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no group of people that call themselves

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no not really not in their text the

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church fathers to talk about these

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derogatory term but having said that we

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synchronicity today is the anniversary

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are your listeners I know makes other

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know about Gnosticism the good primers

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latest scholarship would say no that's

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the Roman Empire and so forth and just

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mention or more than once but the new

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if they awakened they needed to awaken

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became Christ we were meant to resurrect

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or awaken or become Buddhist while we

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hit it on the head that's why it's so

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hard because the Gnostics were very ways

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of other groups but you can always find

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really look and even in their rituals

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these ecstatic rituals the scholars have

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practicing sex magic yeah these Gnostics

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in Rome who were doing you know who are

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doing the Eucharist at churches you had

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some good were dancing some who were

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doing mystery religion acts and so forth

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so what's what happens well the Gnostics

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always adopted you might say the

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cultural context of what was around them

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what they saw if they saw something they

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were going to use it kind of like chaos

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magician

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the point is what they were looking for

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was that experience that experience of

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that astral flight to leave this world

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of the archons and make contact with the

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alien God and whatever they could use

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around them and the kitchen sink they

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were going to use it if it didn't work

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was it try something else or find

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another group

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or move around so that's why it's or

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sometimes it's confusing to peg him down

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like I said it's more of a metaphysical

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orientation and they were never really

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an actual religion they broke up in

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lodges and so forth they kind of were

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chameleon to adopt it again the cultures

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around them and they're always pretty

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much under the radar right on yeah that

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is a great term at a physical

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orientation I like that and now you

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mentioned the Demiurge and as you know

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Gnosticism comes up in conspiracy

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circles largely because the term Archon

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seems to be the nuance hipster term for

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reptilian thanks to guys like David Icke

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I mean how fair of a representation is

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that I would say it's probably not fair

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at all and although I mean I have

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nothing against the other Ness finding

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out that we have shadow enemies but of

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course I'm never going to peg them down

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as this or that that's not where I am

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right now or I think we should be but I

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think the issue is what made the

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Gnostics so radical is that you have to

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remember that in ancient times

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everything was connected to the gods I

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mean you had the great chain of being or

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the astral bureaucracy of Confucius and

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so forth and you had the God sort of

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streaming down and the kings and the

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prophets were all earthly

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representatives and this was with the

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Greeks the Romans as or rasters and in

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fact he could make a case that it still

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goes on today because everybody you know

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politicians think God put him there and

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Mulas and so forth and what the Gnostics

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when they came out they came out and

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said whoa first time in history they

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said look the gods are crazy barring

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from the movie the gods are insane

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they're deficient so therefore

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everything that flows for them including

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into our earthly representatives is a

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sham it's deficient it's basically

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twisted and that was extremely radical

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that some mortals 2,000 years ago would

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take a stand against the supreme gods of

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this universe and the Demiurge which is

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interesting as the Demiurge was a very

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holy figure if you read Plato's Timaeus

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the Demiurge is sort of the

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guy that we have the one the the

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ultimate source which the Gnostics

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borrow from the Demiurge sort of ordered

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the universe and made sure that it ran

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well like a clock something like that

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and of course and that was even believed

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by you know ancient Jews by the Romans

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by the neoplatonist in fact the church

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father Justin Martyr called Jesus the

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Demiurge of Jehovah because he was the

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order the logos the reason of the divine

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the Gnostics came and said no this guy's

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is Demiurge who sort of you know the big

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architect invited the freemason he's

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insane he's demented he's demonic and

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then they said well what about those who

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work under him and they called him

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archons

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remember you have to know that the

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archons was Greek again Greeks for ruler

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and this was sort of a title it's like

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calling somebody today a judge or a

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president it was an honorific title in

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those times and the Gnostic sort of

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twisted that around and made the archons

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part of his demonic contingency if you

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want to call it that they're usually

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they're not I think in one instance in

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one of the text and Archon is depicted

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as reptilian but for the most part there

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were these hermaphrodite beings pretty

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much an impotent who were who did have

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you know bestial faces like lions and so

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forth but it was buried and of course

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this is more symbolic allanne anything

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for hermaphrodite and platonic times was

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just a very big that was really very

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powerful and you know the the beasts

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face is represented they're different

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what they were in charge and what their

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personalities were but as far as you

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know they were basically spiritual

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spiritual beings and they had two

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aspects one as they they ran things they

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liked things as a bureaucracy but they

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weren't very efficient about it they

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were sort of think of the movie Brazil

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or Time Bandits Terry Gilliam's Time

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Bandits where they ran the universe and

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sort of this painful badly run rocker

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see as above so below I think we can all

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relate but the whole mission was to keep

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us trapped in asleep and the other thing

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is the

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had an appetite for rape they like

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raping anything that was holy anything

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that was beautiful anything that could

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stir and we could say well rape is

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really a metaphor for just you know

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screwing our minds and keeping us beaten

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down and so forth so this was the

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aspects of the Demiurge and another

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thing too is the Demiurge and I'm sure

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many of your listeners know was

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associated with the god of the Old

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Testament they saw the God of the Old

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Testament was pretty much represented

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insanity of this world and everything

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wrong with it that this God Jehovah was

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pretty much well I keep saying it he was

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out of his mind he was an ignorant being

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he was a being that when he came about

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he said there is no god but me which was

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as many of called a great sin of the

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Demiurge things he rules the universe

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and there was nothing else and there's

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God let's Demiurge of course he

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associated with other beings too and he

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changes throughout the histories how did

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the Demiurge come about well in some of

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the classic Gnostic texts what happens

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is that you have the mind of the alien

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God is usually depicted as having

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characteristics and their personalized

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into these entities call the Aeons these

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are part of the the mind of God to the

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Gnostics the ultimate source was just

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this well running imaginative empathic

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mind full of information and at one

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point is this God is learning to become

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self-aware and these characteristics

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come about which he called Aeons and

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they had different things like love and

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honor and so forth as he's spreading out

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there is 1 a.m. that's called Sophia and

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they took this from the Old Testament

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because it always talks about this

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wisdom figure that is there with God

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that is there at the beginning of the

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time who that's called wisdom in a lot

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of the text like the wisdom literature

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and so forth and this being Sophia

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became so curious about the whole how

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the whole mechanism work how the ancient

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mind was that she basically rebelled and

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she's often called it very much a

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Luciferian figure probably even before

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the myth of Lucifer because she rebels

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and she ends up fall

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out from this again supreme mind from

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the matrix of the supreme mind and is

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throw down into the chaos and as she

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falls down she goes through this passion

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which she begins to experience all the

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emotions that can be experienced fear

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despair sadness and she becomes

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basically pregnant by her own emotions

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and in her pregnancy she gives birth to

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the Supreme God to the Demiurge to the

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Jehovah who has no idea that he's been

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given birth but has his power and this

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decides he's going to create the

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universe so in the uniting the Demiurge

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is a classic tale about the ego and what

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the ego does and what are the egoic

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rulers of this world - and how they just

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basically make a mess of things

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right on now you also wrote an article

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titled the five most dangerous archons

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in the Gnostic gobbl Gospels where you

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break down some of the other iconic

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characters I think people have probably

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heard a decent amount about the Demiurge

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but I don't think many listeners have

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gone much deeper than that what can you

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tell us about other archons and their

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potential influence well the archons

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again had the the function of running

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the universe

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the Gnostics like many of the ancients

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thought that the greatest thing that

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kept us down was the powers of fate the

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power of the stars so the archons were

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in charge of all the different stars and

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in different systems the archons change

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and you can associate them with other

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gods and so forth and the archons of

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course had other they had other

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functions in one book we have basically

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one bloody Archon for every part of our

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body because they thought the human body

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had to be created in some factory and

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the archons were just building us or at

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least they were in charge of them so

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there were there could be thousands of

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archons for different functions and of

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course the roles would change and so

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forth so yeah sometimes I like to play

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around because there is one harken

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which made me laugh in the secret book

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of John and this is the arcon of desire

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and her name is Yoko so that made me

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laugh how they came up with that 2,000

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years ago and then there's other

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worries I mean the gnostics when they

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were writing that's why Karl Yune called

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him the first deaf psychologist it's

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almost like they were taking a journey

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inside their own mind the mind of the

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alien God was the own human mind and

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they felt that they could travel back

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and find out this trauma through their

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scriptures it's almost like a form of

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cell therapy I mean Jesus doesn't even

520
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seem like a character it's like the

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writing fanfiction but again as many

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people know sometimes writing is a great

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form of therapy you do unlock doors your

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mind does expand you do seem to take

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some amazing journey and they were just

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pumping out gospels and doing the

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rituals and discovering different things

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and tweaking the stories and changing

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the archons and changing the role of

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Jesus and changing the role of Sophia so

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it was very varied but it all seemed to

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have again the sort of self this therapy

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which they thought was not just a

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personal therapy but a cosmic therapy

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the Gnostics talks you know if we can

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get our mind to work like the mind of

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the alien God to get it a hundred

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percent then we can actually start not

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only helping the world that health is

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alien God heal and help make contact

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with alien God so they get pretty

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psychedelic and as you mentioned they do

543
00:22:03,969 --> 00:22:00,679
have this sort of sci-fi sensibility to

544
00:22:06,009 --> 00:22:03,979
them I mean that is one thing that can't

545
00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:06,019
be denied and I always like to tell

546
00:22:09,159 --> 00:22:07,369
people when they read the Gnostic

547
00:22:12,489 --> 00:22:09,169
Gospels just keep in mind the four

548
00:22:14,919 --> 00:22:12,499
hallmarks but also keep in mind this it

549
00:22:18,549 --> 00:22:14,929
was a writer William T Bollman who wrote

550
00:22:20,379 --> 00:22:18,559
in The New York Times quote as a corpus

551
00:22:23,649 --> 00:22:20,389
the Gnostic scriptures are nearly

552
00:22:26,319 --> 00:22:23,659
incoherent like a crowd of sages mystics

553
00:22:28,509 --> 00:22:26,329
and madmen all speaking at once but

554
00:22:31,059 --> 00:22:28,519
always they call upon us to know

555
00:22:33,519 --> 00:22:31,069
ourselves and that's one other central

556
00:22:35,169 --> 00:22:33,529
dictums is that they felt and again

557
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:35,179
they're taking the vibe off of the

558
00:22:39,309 --> 00:22:37,369
Greeks and the Greek mystics and the

559
00:22:42,249 --> 00:22:39,319
Romans and so forth that to know

560
00:22:44,619 --> 00:22:42,259
ourselves to go inward we could really

561
00:22:47,409 --> 00:22:44,629
find a divinity ended through all the

562
00:22:49,329 --> 00:22:47,419
layers of falseness that we are all the

563
00:22:51,849 --> 00:22:49,339
layers that the archons have created

564
00:22:54,909 --> 00:22:51,859
which appear as our personality defects

565
00:22:57,070 --> 00:22:54,919
our engineering our education

566
00:22:58,960 --> 00:22:57,080
Jen and even fate itself we could find

567
00:23:01,779 --> 00:22:58,970
this divinity with ourselves it's almost

568
00:23:04,180 --> 00:23:01,789
like the journey inside was the journey

569
00:23:06,519 --> 00:23:04,190
outside so you had to take these two

570
00:23:08,950 --> 00:23:06,529
journeys in order to tie everything in

571
00:23:10,539 --> 00:23:08,960
but of course again to do this you had

572
00:23:12,249 --> 00:23:10,549
to get through a lot of archons and

573
00:23:14,109 --> 00:23:12,259
ultimately you had to get past the

574
00:23:15,970 --> 00:23:14,119
Demiurge and there would have these

575
00:23:18,369 --> 00:23:15,980
rituals with their hobbies you see them

576
00:23:20,169 --> 00:23:18,379
in their text these grand rituals with

577
00:23:22,210 --> 00:23:20,179
passwords that they're taking astral

578
00:23:23,830 --> 00:23:22,220
flights through the heavens and they

579
00:23:26,019 --> 00:23:23,840
would meet an Archon and have to give

580
00:23:28,330 --> 00:23:26,029
him a password or trick this Archon and

581
00:23:30,369 --> 00:23:28,340
to go to the next level and the next

582
00:23:32,049 --> 00:23:30,379
level and it really didn't it really

583
00:23:34,749 --> 00:23:32,059
didn't end until you hit the ultimate

584
00:23:36,659 --> 00:23:34,759
source which they often called adept in

585
00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:36,669
silence it was this moment of pure

586
00:23:41,289 --> 00:23:38,720
contemplation where you were you might

587
00:23:42,849 --> 00:23:41,299
say in the moment in pure Zen so

588
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:42,859
needless to say I don't see any

589
00:23:49,509 --> 00:23:46,730
reptilians yet fair enough

590
00:23:51,789 --> 00:23:49,519
and so I have really gotten interested

591
00:23:53,799 --> 00:23:51,799
in magic in recent years which has made

592
00:23:55,539 --> 00:23:53,809
religious topics unavoidable because

593
00:23:58,359 --> 00:23:55,549
they're so intertwined especially when

594
00:24:00,159 --> 00:23:58,369
you go back and get to the roots and I

595
00:24:03,099 --> 00:24:00,169
hear Gnosticism come up alongside

596
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:03,109
paganism and Kabbalah when you get into

597
00:24:05,859 --> 00:24:04,970
this Lane I hear them referenced a lot

598
00:24:08,470 --> 00:24:05,869
together

599
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:08,480
but how related are these schools of

600
00:24:12,789 --> 00:24:10,450
thought really as far as you can tell

601
00:24:15,070 --> 00:24:12,799
they're definitely very related I mean

602
00:24:17,499 --> 00:24:15,080
remember they were the big melting pot

603
00:24:20,590 --> 00:24:17,509
in those days was Alexandria so the

604
00:24:22,450 --> 00:24:20,600
Gnostics we do have documented we

605
00:24:24,220 --> 00:24:22,460
haven't documented that the Gnostics

606
00:24:26,139 --> 00:24:24,230
were rubbing shoulders and going to the

607
00:24:28,149 --> 00:24:26,149
same school of the neoplatonist that

608
00:24:30,729 --> 00:24:28,159
they were inside the Jewish communities

609
00:24:32,499 --> 00:24:30,739
that Hellenized Jewish communities that

610
00:24:35,549 --> 00:24:32,509
they were inside the churches and the

611
00:24:38,109 --> 00:24:35,559
church fathers are trying to do it so

612
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:38,119
there's a lot of overlap in what they

613
00:24:42,399 --> 00:24:40,730
saw but even the neoplatonist hated the

614
00:24:44,889 --> 00:24:42,409
Gnostics because again the Gnostics were

615
00:24:47,739 --> 00:24:44,899
so radical not only they think that the

616
00:24:50,259 --> 00:24:47,749
gods were really demonic but the

617
00:24:52,419 --> 00:24:50,269
Gnostics had these ideas back in you

618
00:24:55,389 --> 00:24:52,429
know 2,000 years that if you had enough

619
00:24:57,729 --> 00:24:55,399
power you could travel the plane and you

620
00:25:00,129 --> 00:24:57,739
could actually control the archons and

621
00:25:01,869 --> 00:25:00,139
control more of the super angels now

622
00:25:04,269 --> 00:25:01,879
they weren't controlling to overthrow

623
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:04,279
the world or he's our gain material

624
00:25:08,450 --> 00:25:05,970
power that was

625
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:08,460
their goal their goal again with pure

626
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:11,250
consciousness expansion pure fullness

627
00:25:15,530 --> 00:25:13,410
and illness but this used to just make

628
00:25:17,690 --> 00:25:15,540
the neoplatonist angry because a lot of

629
00:25:19,700 --> 00:25:17,700
the neoplatonist know you don't mess

630
00:25:21,950 --> 00:25:19,710
with the divine the divine is fine you

631
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:21,960
can get solace and you can get advice

632
00:25:26,900 --> 00:25:24,210
and you could get peace but you don't

633
00:25:29,270 --> 00:25:26,910
start materializing the fabric of the

634
00:25:31,700 --> 00:25:29,280
cosmos you might say they were doing

635
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:31,710
zero-g back then and they were doing a

636
00:25:35,630 --> 00:25:33,650
lot of magical rites I mean we do have

637
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:35,640
instances where they're putting on

638
00:25:40,670 --> 00:25:38,970
animal masks and dancing around there's

639
00:25:43,430 --> 00:25:40,680
instances where they're taking sort of

640
00:25:45,830 --> 00:25:43,440
this nco genic wine and going into these

641
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:45,840
altered states and they were all over

642
00:25:50,810 --> 00:25:48,960
the place I mean one thing I was I know

643
00:25:52,010 --> 00:25:50,820
I say astral Phibes and I think I

644
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:52,020
mentioned said that they were sort of

645
00:25:56,810 --> 00:25:54,810
shamanistic and how was today there was

646
00:25:59,600 --> 00:25:56,820
an argument on Facebook and somebody

647
00:26:02,180 --> 00:25:59,610
said I'm a shaming and somebody says you

648
00:26:04,580 --> 00:26:02,190
know and somebody posted no you're not

649
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:04,590
because that's appropriation because the

650
00:26:08,420 --> 00:26:06,720
shaman's were from Siberia and of course

651
00:26:10,550 --> 00:26:08,430
this got into this big argument about

652
00:26:12,380 --> 00:26:10,560
appropriate when to call somebody a

653
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:12,390
shame and all that and both sides were

654
00:26:18,740 --> 00:26:15,330
at it I can only say this does work for

655
00:26:21,110 --> 00:26:18,750
an office ism because the Gnostics were

656
00:26:23,710 --> 00:26:21,120
called by a church father and by others

657
00:26:27,230 --> 00:26:23,720
they were called sons of pythagoras and

658
00:26:31,130 --> 00:26:27,240
it's documented that pythagoras was

659
00:26:34,220 --> 00:26:31,140
deputized by a mongolian Shaymin he was

660
00:26:36,230 --> 00:26:34,230
taught this ancient art of going into

661
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:36,240
the spirit wall and taking Astro flight

662
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:38,730
and this art was handed down through the

663
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:41,250
Greek philosophers and to the Gnostics

664
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:43,530
so and I say well the Gnostics were

665
00:26:47,180 --> 00:26:45,570
shaman's I think I can actually make a

666
00:26:50,360 --> 00:26:47,190
good argument that they are and that

667
00:26:52,580 --> 00:26:50,370
they're not appropriating something so

668
00:26:54,860 --> 00:26:52,590
but yeah they were definitely rubbing

669
00:26:56,900 --> 00:26:54,870
shoulders they were borrowing and they

670
00:26:58,730 --> 00:26:56,910
were they were heavily steeped in magic

671
00:27:01,520 --> 00:26:58,740
we find some of their coins that they

672
00:27:04,340 --> 00:27:01,530
use with upper axes and other magical

673
00:27:07,190 --> 00:27:04,350
coins that they had we have these very

674
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:07,200
long rituals and incantations or texts

675
00:27:12,260 --> 00:27:09,450
we really haven't found out what they

676
00:27:14,210 --> 00:27:12,270
meant but they definitely were doing

677
00:27:16,340 --> 00:27:14,220
written I mean we don't know exactly the

678
00:27:18,380 --> 00:27:16,350
rituals are but they were doing rituals

679
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:18,390
and a lot of them are sort of using

680
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:19,650
vowels and

681
00:27:24,620 --> 00:27:22,530
and since calling on the name of on

682
00:27:27,500 --> 00:27:24,630
these magical names even on the name of

683
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:27,510
Jesus to get things done there's even

684
00:27:31,310 --> 00:27:29,490
some parts where they even have a

685
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:31,320
snoring sound is there doing this

686
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:33,330
magical incantation that then they're

687
00:27:38,060 --> 00:27:36,210
making these snoring sound like and it

688
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:38,070
sounds weird but it some scholars that

689
00:27:43,460 --> 00:27:40,490
said they were going into a trance and

690
00:27:45,470 --> 00:27:43,470
falling asleep or halfway falling asleep

691
00:27:47,060 --> 00:27:45,480
was part of how to you know kick in that

692
00:27:49,070 --> 00:27:47,070
altered state of mind

693
00:27:52,100 --> 00:27:49,080
so yeah they were definitely into magic

694
00:27:54,470 --> 00:27:52,110
yeah people you interview they seem to

695
00:27:56,420 --> 00:27:54,480
agree a lot of the time that the

696
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:56,430
practitioners themselves because we

697
00:27:59,930 --> 00:27:57,690
mentioned they didn't really call

698
00:28:01,850 --> 00:27:59,940
themselves Gnostics it seems like the

699
00:28:03,410 --> 00:28:01,860
scholars are saying that most of these

700
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:03,420
people would consider themselves

701
00:28:07,820 --> 00:28:05,970
Christian and that seems just weird to

702
00:28:10,430 --> 00:28:07,830
me because the subject matter almost

703
00:28:12,740 --> 00:28:10,440
seems anti-christian or like the 180

704
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:12,750
flip of Christianity it seems weird that

705
00:28:16,790 --> 00:28:15,570
they do use some of the same characters

706
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:16,800
even if they look at them differently

707
00:28:23,090 --> 00:28:18,810
that they would consider themselves part

708
00:28:25,130 --> 00:28:23,100
of that faith yet I mean again there

709
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:25,140
were sort of absorbing what was around

710
00:28:29,450 --> 00:28:27,840
them and what were yeah and Christianity

711
00:28:32,120 --> 00:28:29,460
back then in the first century was a

712
00:28:33,830 --> 00:28:32,130
very radical religion I mean they were

713
00:28:36,830 --> 00:28:33,840
kind of shocking the pagans with the

714
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:36,840
stories of drinking blood and doing all

715
00:28:41,630 --> 00:28:39,450
this sort of weirdness and the Gnostics

716
00:28:44,750 --> 00:28:41,640
definitely took that I mean they saw

717
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:44,760
they really saw like the Apostle Paul as

718
00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:46,890
an amazing guy because there's a story

719
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:48,720
of him going and being blinded by the

720
00:28:53,990 --> 00:28:51,690
light and having to go to Arabia for all

721
00:28:56,750 --> 00:28:54,000
these years and Paul is talking about

722
00:28:59,180 --> 00:28:56,760
traveling to the third heaven and making

723
00:29:01,040 --> 00:28:59,190
contact with angelic being so that's

724
00:29:03,530 --> 00:29:01,050
really inspired a lot of the Gnostics

725
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:03,540
they thought wow this is cool and Jesus

726
00:29:09,470 --> 00:29:05,850
became again sort of one of their

727
00:29:12,050 --> 00:29:09,480
exemplars not so much to worship but to

728
00:29:14,990 --> 00:29:12,060
kind of write fanfiction to base their

729
00:29:18,050 --> 00:29:15,000
stories to model their stories and again

730
00:29:20,690 --> 00:29:18,060
to sort of draw upon his powers we have

731
00:29:23,510 --> 00:29:20,700
papyruses with somehow the name Jesus

732
00:29:25,610 --> 00:29:23,520
which meant Yahweh or Yahweh saves they

733
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:25,620
thought that had really had some magical

734
00:29:30,530 --> 00:29:28,530
powers that it could draw upon but they

735
00:29:33,019 --> 00:29:30,540
weren't all just Christian and in fact

736
00:29:35,659 --> 00:29:33,029
you have the hermetics from

737
00:29:37,729 --> 00:29:35,669
also at the time in Alexandria where

738
00:29:39,919 --> 00:29:37,739
their cousins who were pagan Gnostics

739
00:29:42,469 --> 00:29:39,929
and they drew from sort of the ancient

740
00:29:44,989 --> 00:29:42,479
Egyptian lore you had a lot of the

741
00:29:47,570 --> 00:29:44,999
Gnostic texts are sort of non-christian

742
00:29:49,580 --> 00:29:47,580
they seem to draw up on Zarrow Astron

743
00:29:52,070 --> 00:29:49,590
ISM in fact one text talks about this

744
00:29:53,839 --> 00:29:52,080
mysterious book the book of Zoroaster

745
00:29:56,330 --> 00:29:53,849
that nobody knows that nobody has heard

746
00:29:58,310 --> 00:29:56,340
but they do mention it they do go

747
00:30:00,889 --> 00:29:58,320
non-christian and a lot of their texts

748
00:30:02,779 --> 00:30:00,899
but they really found again they just

749
00:30:05,119 --> 00:30:02,789
found a lot of inspiration and that sort

750
00:30:08,989 --> 00:30:05,129
of early Christian by when it was so

751
00:30:11,180 --> 00:30:08,999
vibrant and it was so elastic and it was

752
00:30:14,359 --> 00:30:11,190
so it was just interesting to them and

753
00:30:16,820 --> 00:30:14,369
the more I hear about that time window

754
00:30:19,999 --> 00:30:16,830
but the more I hear people talk about it

755
00:30:22,099 --> 00:30:20,009
it just seems so wild that there's so

756
00:30:25,129 --> 00:30:22,109
many different groups in this pretty

757
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:25,139
wide expanse of time that are getting

758
00:30:28,580 --> 00:30:26,970
into magic that have their own rituals

759
00:30:31,129 --> 00:30:28,590
their own practices they seem to be like

760
00:30:33,950 --> 00:30:31,139
everywhere and I think of Alexandria is

761
00:30:36,289 --> 00:30:33,960
just like this big breeding ground it's

762
00:30:39,379 --> 00:30:36,299
like farmers market exchange of all

763
00:30:43,070 --> 00:30:39,389
these different magical ideas yeah like

764
00:30:44,869 --> 00:30:43,080
such a hard task for a group like the

765
00:30:46,759 --> 00:30:44,879
Roman Catholic Church I guess to put

766
00:30:49,719 --> 00:30:46,769
that toothpaste back in the tube the way

767
00:30:52,430 --> 00:30:49,729
it has been done yeah or just a

768
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:52,440
appropriated network because it drives

769
00:30:57,289 --> 00:30:54,720
me crazy but you know I think the church

770
00:31:00,019 --> 00:30:57,299
definitely appropriated a lot of the

771
00:31:03,049 --> 00:31:00,029
magic the whole idea of the Saints and

772
00:31:05,629 --> 00:31:03,059
all the rituals I mean it seems a mass

773
00:31:08,149 --> 00:31:05,639
itself is a form of spiritual alchemy

774
00:31:10,580 --> 00:31:08,159
that goes back to the mystery religions

775
00:31:12,919 --> 00:31:10,590
the idea of eating your God and so forth

776
00:31:14,570 --> 00:31:12,929
I mean the church wasn't stupid they

777
00:31:16,849 --> 00:31:14,580
know good marketing when they saw it

778
00:31:19,820 --> 00:31:16,859
they just simply had to appropriate it

779
00:31:22,249 --> 00:31:19,830
and get the marketing in there make sure

780
00:31:23,899 --> 00:31:22,259
that the experience that everybody could

781
00:31:27,529 --> 00:31:23,909
have individually now just came through

782
00:31:29,060 --> 00:31:27,539
the church that's how you got it and of

783
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:29,070
course you know get rid of all the

784
00:31:32,659 --> 00:31:30,090
competitions

785
00:31:34,639 --> 00:31:32,669
but yeah Alexandra was an amazing place

786
00:31:36,649 --> 00:31:34,649
I mean you had Buddhist monks that were

787
00:31:39,169 --> 00:31:36,659
we have documented Buddhist monks were

788
00:31:41,479 --> 00:31:39,179
visiting there you had a whole bunch of

789
00:31:42,229 --> 00:31:41,489
ideas in the library you had the

790
00:31:44,599 --> 00:31:42,239
Hermetic s--

791
00:31:46,649 --> 00:31:44,609
you had the Jews you had the Christian

792
00:31:49,499 --> 00:31:46,659
Gnostics you had again it was this

793
00:31:51,479 --> 00:31:49,509
Utah's pods of you might say magic but

794
00:31:54,570 --> 00:31:51,489
even magic is kind of a strange term

795
00:31:57,210 --> 00:31:54,580
because what's the old saying we

796
00:32:00,690 --> 00:31:57,220
practice religions they practice magic

797
00:32:03,419 --> 00:32:00,700
and somebody else said you know religion

798
00:32:05,639 --> 00:32:03,429
is just magic for the masses magic is

799
00:32:07,859 --> 00:32:05,649
just religion for the individual I mean

800
00:32:09,450 --> 00:32:07,869
at its core is just trying to get an

801
00:32:12,139 --> 00:32:09,460
experience with something beyond

802
00:32:14,549 --> 00:32:12,149
yourself and grow as an individual and

803
00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:14,559
of course it was hard in Roman times

804
00:32:20,129 --> 00:32:17,049
because a lot of times magic was

805
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:20,139
completely unlawful except

806
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:22,450
state-sponsored magic and some

807
00:32:27,180 --> 00:32:25,090
exceptions but having said that it was

808
00:32:28,859 --> 00:32:27,190
going under the table and it was

809
00:32:33,419 --> 00:32:28,869
happening it was probably very intense

810
00:32:36,330 --> 00:32:33,429
in Alexandria hmm yeah man I like that

811
00:32:38,099 --> 00:32:36,340
little phrase about magic being for the

812
00:32:41,219 --> 00:32:38,109
individual and religion for the masses

813
00:32:44,460 --> 00:32:41,229
but I always kind of think about magic

814
00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:44,470
is anti-authoritarian because religion

815
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:46,330
has been used as a control mechanism and

816
00:32:52,049 --> 00:32:49,210
a very useful psychological tool for the

817
00:32:54,570 --> 00:32:52,059
elite and the magic seems to be like

818
00:32:57,149 --> 00:32:54,580
kind of that hidden truth behind their

819
00:32:59,399 --> 00:32:57,159
hollow husk of a tradition that they

820
00:33:01,830 --> 00:32:59,409
give for everyone else yeah you could

821
00:33:03,719 --> 00:33:01,840
say that I mean again it really depends

822
00:33:04,889 --> 00:33:03,729
on what was going on because I mean the

823
00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:04,899
Gnostics as I said they were

824
00:33:10,259 --> 00:33:08,080
intrinsically anarchists I think Chris

825
00:33:12,629 --> 00:33:10,269
nose calls in history's first geeks

826
00:33:15,119 --> 00:33:12,639
there are the guys always in the corner

827
00:33:17,549 --> 00:33:15,129
that didn't trust the authorities that

828
00:33:19,469 --> 00:33:17,559
entrust the temple that entrust

829
00:33:20,999 --> 00:33:19,479
institutions and they wanted to do their

830
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:21,009
own thing and find their own thing and

831
00:33:26,070 --> 00:33:22,090
they were going to create their little

832
00:33:27,450 --> 00:33:26,080
groups and play their D&D and mystical

833
00:33:29,489 --> 00:33:27,460
States and so forth

834
00:33:31,769 --> 00:33:29,499
so I would definitely say that with the

835
00:33:33,629 --> 00:33:31,779
Gnostics but as far as the Roman Empire

836
00:33:35,969 --> 00:33:33,639
it was really hard to practice magic

837
00:33:39,210 --> 00:33:35,979
unless of course you were in the good

838
00:33:41,039 --> 00:33:39,220
side of the emperor you or somebody you

839
00:33:42,479 --> 00:33:41,049
know you somebody pyth Ora T sometimes

840
00:33:44,849 --> 00:33:42,489
you can get away with it because let's

841
00:33:46,739 --> 00:33:44,859
face it even before the rise of the

842
00:33:48,389 --> 00:33:46,749
Catholic Church these temples needed to

843
00:33:50,549 --> 00:33:48,399
stay open somebody had to pay for the

844
00:33:52,589 --> 00:33:50,559
electricity right so Nate they needed

845
00:33:55,259 --> 00:33:52,599
the money they needed those shekels and

846
00:33:57,599 --> 00:33:55,269
denarii to fall into it so they needed

847
00:33:59,399 --> 00:33:57,609
to control the magic the last thing you

848
00:34:00,480 --> 00:33:59,409
need is people going off and having

849
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:00,490
experiences

850
00:34:05,910 --> 00:34:03,250
Devine and calling upon rain without

851
00:34:07,830 --> 00:34:05,920
permission and all that good stuff so it

852
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:07,840
was even very controlled even the times

853
00:34:13,139 --> 00:34:09,690
before the Catholic Church came about

854
00:34:15,090 --> 00:34:13,149
yeah now so to give people a little more

855
00:34:17,220 --> 00:34:15,100
insight what can you tell us about this

856
00:34:19,290 --> 00:34:17,230
Simon Magus character they call him the

857
00:34:22,649 --> 00:34:19,300
father of Gnosticism in some circles I'm

858
00:34:25,830 --> 00:34:22,659
told yes yes yes he's definitely I would

859
00:34:28,980 --> 00:34:25,840
say what am i patron saint chime of

860
00:34:29,850 --> 00:34:28,990
Omegas appears well in the orthodox

861
00:34:31,980 --> 00:34:29,860
version

862
00:34:35,010 --> 00:34:31,990
he appears in Acts of the Apostle and

863
00:34:37,590 --> 00:34:35,020
it's a very interesting story because

864
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:37,600
this is where the Church Fathers sort of

865
00:34:41,700 --> 00:34:39,970
give it away because one of the things

866
00:34:44,609 --> 00:34:41,710
the Church Fathers always said and

867
00:34:46,889 --> 00:34:44,619
scholars say is that Gnosticism didn't

868
00:34:49,290 --> 00:34:46,899
start till later second century maybe

869
00:34:51,300 --> 00:34:49,300
even later Christianity first came out

870
00:34:53,790 --> 00:34:51,310
but what you have in Acts of the

871
00:34:56,100 --> 00:34:53,800
Apostles is you've got the Apostle

872
00:34:58,890 --> 00:34:56,110
Philip he's walking around I think in

873
00:35:01,230 --> 00:34:58,900
Samaria and he runs into Simon Magus and

874
00:35:03,060 --> 00:35:01,240
he's doing all these magical things he's

875
00:35:06,540 --> 00:35:03,070
just doing miracles and really cool

876
00:35:09,030 --> 00:35:06,550
stuff and he just comes up to him and he

877
00:35:11,099 --> 00:35:09,040
says wow I like you you know I could cut

878
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:11,109
of your jig you know you're awesome and

879
00:35:16,740 --> 00:35:13,210
he says why don't you come meet my band

880
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:16,750
my band of brothers over here and bill

881
00:35:22,230 --> 00:35:19,090
takes simon magus there and he ends up

882
00:35:24,900 --> 00:35:22,240
pissing off peter and ends up ostracize

883
00:35:27,060 --> 00:35:24,910
according to Acts of the Apostles now

884
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:27,070
that's interesting Greg because wait a

885
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:29,530
second if the Apostles are there in

886
00:35:33,690 --> 00:35:31,330
Simon Magus was already like a main

887
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:33,700
magician that makes Simon Magus a

888
00:35:38,820 --> 00:35:36,010
contemporary of Jesus so they sort of

889
00:35:41,370 --> 00:35:38,830
give it away there and who is Simon

890
00:35:43,950 --> 00:35:41,380
Magus well the Church Fathers called him

891
00:35:45,330 --> 00:35:43,960
yes not only the father of Gnosticism

892
00:35:48,570 --> 00:35:45,340
but they called him the father of all

893
00:35:51,240 --> 00:35:48,580
heresies they thought that all evil he

894
00:35:53,310 --> 00:35:51,250
was the pandora boxx of all evil that

895
00:35:56,490 --> 00:35:53,320
came out in their times in modern times

896
00:35:58,650 --> 00:35:56,500
and he was a very much despised by them

897
00:36:01,609 --> 00:35:58,660
and we don't really know much about the

898
00:36:04,740 --> 00:36:01,619
story there's a lot of tales that we see

899
00:36:07,470 --> 00:36:04,750
according to the Simone Ian's or his

900
00:36:09,240 --> 00:36:07,480
community and some other stories he was

901
00:36:11,370 --> 00:36:09,250
again sort of the incarnation of the

902
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:11,380
alien God that came down to earth why

903
00:36:14,540 --> 00:36:12,810
did he come down to earth

904
00:36:17,060 --> 00:36:14,550
well remember I talked about the myth of

905
00:36:20,450 --> 00:36:17,070
Sophia the fallen wisdom of the alien

906
00:36:22,730 --> 00:36:20,460
God in the Simonian myth you have this

907
00:36:25,430 --> 00:36:22,740
rebellious angels the archons and they

908
00:36:27,350 --> 00:36:25,440
sort of steal her once they see her and

909
00:36:30,260 --> 00:36:27,360
they bring her down to earth and the

910
00:36:32,780 --> 00:36:30,270
caster in a material form and she rein

911
00:36:35,390 --> 00:36:32,790
coordinates through time as the way of

912
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:35,400
the archons to hide her from the alien

913
00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:38,850
God and she was once Helen of Troy and

914
00:36:42,740 --> 00:36:40,560
all these beautiful woman then she

915
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:42,750
becomes in this last incarnation this

916
00:36:48,890 --> 00:36:45,930
woman called Helen of Tyre and Simon

917
00:36:51,350 --> 00:36:48,900
Magus comes and meets her and together

918
00:36:54,050 --> 00:36:51,360
they sort of join and they become again

919
00:36:57,020 --> 00:36:54,060
truly powerful and in their human form

920
00:36:59,240 --> 00:36:57,030
they're sort of wandering around again

921
00:37:01,640 --> 00:36:59,250
becoming gnostic revealers trying to

922
00:37:03,890 --> 00:37:01,650
awaken the rest of humanity trying to

923
00:37:06,110 --> 00:37:03,900
get their divine spark away so that's

924
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:06,120
one of the tales of Simon Magus there

925
00:37:10,340 --> 00:37:07,770
are other tales you have in enough most

926
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:10,350
of these tales you have in the pseudo

927
00:37:15,260 --> 00:37:12,570
clementines you have these really

928
00:37:17,420 --> 00:37:15,270
amazing magical battles between Simon

929
00:37:19,610 --> 00:37:17,430
Peter and Simon Magus usually in these

930
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:19,620
battles well of course because it's

931
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:21,930
written by the Orthodox Simon Magus

932
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:25,650
loses but so there are a lot of stories

933
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:28,290
going on and Simon Magus we don't have

934
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:29,850
anything there is something called a

935
00:37:34,220 --> 00:37:32,370
great declaration that he wrote that's

936
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:34,230
been reconstructed because some of the

937
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:36,090
Church Fathers like if a fineö is kept

938
00:37:41,450 --> 00:37:38,370
track but we really don't know much

939
00:37:43,970 --> 00:37:41,460
about him when it comes down to it again

940
00:37:45,620 --> 00:37:43,980
we know he's sort of the font of all

941
00:37:47,930 --> 00:37:45,630
heresy and everything and he's sort of

942
00:37:49,700 --> 00:37:47,940
an overlooked I think an overlooked

943
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:49,710
character because when you get into a

944
00:37:53,930 --> 00:37:51,210
cult circle they're always talking about

945
00:37:56,030 --> 00:37:53,940
ah well there's Solomon and there's this

946
00:37:58,850 --> 00:37:56,040
and then they jump over to the

947
00:38:00,170 --> 00:37:58,860
neoplatonist and the magicians there and

948
00:38:01,430 --> 00:38:00,180
then we move through history and we've

949
00:38:03,350 --> 00:38:01,440
got the hermetics

950
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:03,360
the aromatic revival and the Renaissance

951
00:38:08,420 --> 00:38:06,330
and Giordano Bruno and John Dee and most

952
00:38:11,270 --> 00:38:08,430
forget I think really how powerful and

953
00:38:14,780 --> 00:38:11,280
how intriguing Simon Magus is because

954
00:38:17,510 --> 00:38:14,790
not only was this great magician but

955
00:38:19,340 --> 00:38:17,520
very powerful magician and who scared

956
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:19,350
the hell out of the church but he was

957
00:38:23,900 --> 00:38:21,210
also as someone said the first person to

958
00:38:25,860 --> 00:38:23,910
really stand up and say in a literary in

959
00:38:28,230 --> 00:38:25,870
literature to say no the guy

960
00:38:30,900 --> 00:38:28,240
are false all their institutions are

961
00:38:33,900 --> 00:38:30,910
false come my way I got something better

962
00:38:37,140 --> 00:38:33,910
now some have said that Simon Magus is

963
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:37,150
really just a cipher for Paul because

964
00:38:42,900 --> 00:38:40,690
well there's a lot of clues that show

965
00:38:45,350 --> 00:38:42,910
that that you see a lot of parallels

966
00:38:48,450 --> 00:38:45,360
between the Apostle Paul and Simon Magus

967
00:38:50,730 --> 00:38:48,460
but not all scholars so I say a minority

968
00:38:52,380 --> 00:38:50,740
of scholars really accept this or

969
00:38:56,850 --> 00:38:52,390
believe that but he could easily be a

970
00:38:59,820 --> 00:38:56,860
cypher for the passo Paul hmm I love it

971
00:39:02,400 --> 00:38:59,830
man now because there are so many I'm

972
00:39:04,620 --> 00:39:02,410
curious do you have a favorite sect or

973
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:04,630
group that you find most interesting or

974
00:39:09,540 --> 00:39:06,970
unique the Cathars the sup Ian's

975
00:39:11,610 --> 00:39:09,550
I wouldn't have to be this essence to me

976
00:39:13,140 --> 00:39:11,620
I always called a Cepheid which I

977
00:39:15,030 --> 00:39:13,150
borrowed from a friend my column the

978
00:39:17,460 --> 00:39:15,040
punk rockers of the ancient time because

979
00:39:18,660 --> 00:39:17,470
they were really the you might say at

980
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:18,670
least when you read this cuz they were

981
00:39:23,940 --> 00:39:21,370
really surly and existentialist and

982
00:39:26,700 --> 00:39:23,950
pretty hardcore I mean some of their

983
00:39:29,430 --> 00:39:26,710
scriptures and not just sci-fi but it is

984
00:39:31,140 --> 00:39:29,440
a border on pornographic and they were

985
00:39:33,900 --> 00:39:31,150
the ones who basically made no excuses

986
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:33,910
and made no compromises some of the

987
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:35,650
other gnostic sects including the

988
00:39:39,300 --> 00:39:37,330
hermetics and the Valentinian sort of

989
00:39:41,850 --> 00:39:39,310
gave the Demiurge a pass he's

990
00:39:43,830 --> 00:39:41,860
misunderstood he'll get there and so

991
00:39:46,020 --> 00:39:43,840
forth but the sethi ins there was

992
00:39:49,050 --> 00:39:46,030
nothing about it he was evil this world

993
00:39:50,550 --> 00:39:49,060
was evil and everything had to go and we

994
00:39:52,590 --> 00:39:50,560
have to get the hell out of this earth

995
00:39:54,780 --> 00:39:52,600
and they're the ones who really promoted

996
00:39:57,270 --> 00:39:54,790
the myth of Sophia the myth of the

997
00:39:59,340 --> 00:39:57,280
archons and other things so I really

998
00:40:01,470 --> 00:39:59,350
like the settings and people always go

999
00:40:04,050 --> 00:40:01,480
what God and these guys are so negative

1000
00:40:06,570 --> 00:40:04,060
and all that but it for me I always

1001
00:40:08,490 --> 00:40:06,580
thought that the sessions and some of

1002
00:40:11,430 --> 00:40:08,500
the other hardcore Gnostics it's really

1003
00:40:13,050 --> 00:40:11,440
the most positive message because as you

1004
00:40:15,630 --> 00:40:13,060
know it's somebody who's in recovery I

1005
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:15,640
myself in recovery I believe that it's

1006
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:18,130
only when you realize how bad things are

1007
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:20,050
that's when you're actually going to

1008
00:40:24,450 --> 00:40:22,210
start doing something about it that's

1009
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:24,460
when you really get the joy in life when

1010
00:40:29,370 --> 00:40:26,890
I said I am really at the bottom of a

1011
00:40:31,350 --> 00:40:29,380
hole and I need to stop digging and I

1012
00:40:34,230 --> 00:40:31,360
need to start looking up to a life to

1013
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:34,240
any light and that's when I can really

1014
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:35,770
start doing things and that's when the

1015
00:40:38,850 --> 00:40:38,050
true journey of joy starts and I think

1016
00:40:41,490 --> 00:40:38,860
that's what the set

1017
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:41,500
we're doing they said look this whole

1018
00:40:46,890 --> 00:40:44,050
place is complete darkness complete hell

1019
00:40:49,890 --> 00:40:46,900
it's a manufactured nightmare that we're

1020
00:40:51,720 --> 00:40:49,900
living this bad software so we need to

1021
00:40:53,490 --> 00:40:51,730
start looking for those little sparks of

1022
00:40:55,470 --> 00:40:53,500
light we need to look into the abyss

1023
00:40:57,150 --> 00:40:55,480
until we find that little spark of life

1024
00:40:59,790 --> 00:40:57,160
as little cracks and we need to start

1025
00:41:01,680 --> 00:40:59,800
climbing out of here and start waking up

1026
00:41:03,780 --> 00:41:01,690
other people because unfortunately

1027
00:41:06,660 --> 00:41:03,790
that's the life is I mean sometimes

1028
00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:06,670
people get excited because they want to

1029
00:41:09,900 --> 00:41:08,560
change the world they'll help others but

1030
00:41:11,790 --> 00:41:09,910
then oh my god I got to get the new

1031
00:41:14,430 --> 00:41:11,800
iPhone or oh my god there's something on

1032
00:41:16,020 --> 00:41:14,440
TV it's only when we know how bad things

1033
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:16,030
are that will actually roll up our

1034
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:18,370
sleeves and for once I'll do that and I

1035
00:41:23,100 --> 00:41:20,770
felt that the settings were that group

1036
00:41:25,050 --> 00:41:23,110
and they sort of inspire me whenever I

1037
00:41:27,180 --> 00:41:25,060
feel again like well maybe I'll check my

1038
00:41:29,250 --> 00:41:27,190
iPhone maybe things aren't so bad

1039
00:41:31,980 --> 00:41:29,260
maybe I'll just make the best of it in

1040
00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:31,990
this universe and nature is fine it's

1041
00:41:36,180 --> 00:41:34,480
like no no you can't you can't let the

1042
00:41:38,340 --> 00:41:36,190
foot off the pedal because if you do

1043
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:38,350
those are guns will make you fall asleep

1044
00:41:42,930 --> 00:41:41,290
that will bury you in bureaucracy they

1045
00:41:45,660 --> 00:41:42,940
will find ways for you to become

1046
00:41:47,550 --> 00:41:45,670
ignorant or part of the system because

1047
00:41:49,260 --> 00:41:47,560
they don't sleep and they're going to

1048
00:41:50,970 --> 00:41:49,270
get you at the end I mean that's how the

1049
00:41:52,070 --> 00:41:50,980
game was and that's why I really like

1050
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:52,080
the settings

1051
00:41:58,380 --> 00:41:56,050
fair enough cheers to that and uh not to

1052
00:42:00,420 --> 00:41:58,390
put any specific people on blast but

1053
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:00,430
what do you think about guys like David

1054
00:42:05,340 --> 00:42:03,130
Icke or John lash or Jay whiner these

1055
00:42:07,890 --> 00:42:05,350
guys who talk about archons and the

1056
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:07,900
prison planet concept in conspiracy

1057
00:42:13,710 --> 00:42:11,290
shows and almost in some cases make it

1058
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:13,720
seem like there's some type of conscious

1059
00:42:18,540 --> 00:42:16,690
connection between the top of the human

1060
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:18,550
power pyramid and potentially some

1061
00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:21,010
ethereal capstone I mean how do you feel

1062
00:42:25,530 --> 00:42:23,280
about the way Gnosticism is typically

1063
00:42:26,790 --> 00:42:25,540
represented in conspiracy circles is

1064
00:42:30,030 --> 00:42:26,800
there anything that you think needs

1065
00:42:32,460 --> 00:42:30,040
correcting or smoothing out I like I

1066
00:42:35,310 --> 00:42:32,470
mean honestly I like their work I do

1067
00:42:37,020 --> 00:42:35,320
like their again I like their thrust I

1068
00:42:38,820 --> 00:42:37,030
like how they're taken like you said it

1069
00:42:41,940 --> 00:42:38,830
starts with the humans and it goes into

1070
00:42:44,700 --> 00:42:41,950
metaphysical realms probably beyond I

1071
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:44,710
think they get that right I liked again

1072
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:46,450
they have the same sense of paranoia

1073
00:42:51,330 --> 00:42:48,160
that the Gnostics were accused of

1074
00:42:52,180 --> 00:42:51,340
because the Gnostics they saw conspiracy

1075
00:42:56,319 --> 00:42:52,190
in every

1076
00:42:59,200 --> 00:42:56,329
institution they were just always sort

1077
00:43:01,329 --> 00:42:59,210
of jumpy so I do like that vibe I do

1078
00:43:03,910 --> 00:43:01,339
think they get a little litoris at I'm

1079
00:43:06,579 --> 00:43:03,920
like David Icke I don't think the

1080
00:43:10,690 --> 00:43:06,589
reptilians like I tell people it's like

1081
00:43:12,700 --> 00:43:10,700
you can't really settle upon an image

1082
00:43:15,970 --> 00:43:12,710
because you're sort of limiting yourself

1083
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:15,980
I know that's hard to explain but there

1084
00:43:20,260 --> 00:43:18,050
is a quote in the Gospel of Philip which

1085
00:43:23,170 --> 00:43:20,270
is a Valentinian second century Gnostic

1086
00:43:25,870 --> 00:43:23,180
quote and it goes truth to not come into

1087
00:43:28,180 --> 00:43:25,880
the world naked but it came in types and

1088
00:43:31,329 --> 00:43:28,190
images the world will not receive the

1089
00:43:33,430 --> 00:43:31,339
truth in any other way and to me that's

1090
00:43:35,290 --> 00:43:33,440
a very powerful passage because it also

1091
00:43:36,849 --> 00:43:35,300
reminds me of Whitley Strieber and his

1092
00:43:39,099 --> 00:43:36,859
work like there's less book with a

1093
00:43:41,650 --> 00:43:39,109
Jeffrey Cry poll supernatural and his

1094
00:43:44,020 --> 00:43:41,660
other works where he goes around and

1095
00:43:46,829 --> 00:43:44,030
he's saying hey I never said these were

1096
00:43:49,690 --> 00:43:46,839
aliens I'm saying this is an other nests

1097
00:43:52,300 --> 00:43:49,700
form of intelligence that's out there

1098
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:52,310
that is so so beyond us that we

1099
00:43:57,609 --> 00:43:54,530
basically it's going to appear to us

1100
00:44:00,250 --> 00:43:57,619
again how our culture and how our

1101
00:44:01,870 --> 00:44:00,260
programming is how these beings or this

1102
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:01,880
other nurse is going to appear to it and

1103
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:04,010
the Gnostics would certainly agree image

1104
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:06,170
you got to go beyond the image into

1105
00:44:10,780 --> 00:44:09,290
these unknown truths so to me it always

1106
00:44:12,970 --> 00:44:10,790
seems limited that you're going to stop

1107
00:44:15,130 --> 00:44:12,980
at aliens or you're going to stop it

1108
00:44:17,620 --> 00:44:15,140
lizards and all that like I always tell

1109
00:44:19,089 --> 00:44:17,630
people if you want simple answers and

1110
00:44:20,410 --> 00:44:19,099
you're going to live a simple life if

1111
00:44:22,569 --> 00:44:20,420
you want certain answers you're going to

1112
00:44:24,790 --> 00:44:22,579
live a certain life but if you want to

1113
00:44:26,710 --> 00:44:24,800
go you know to places where angels fear

1114
00:44:28,720 --> 00:44:26,720
to tread where your sanity is going to

1115
00:44:30,849 --> 00:44:28,730
be challenged where these images are

1116
00:44:33,490 --> 00:44:30,859
going to shift but you can get past them

1117
00:44:35,530 --> 00:44:33,500
and expand your conscious like ever

1118
00:44:37,780 --> 00:44:35,540
before then that's what you got to do

1119
00:44:40,089 --> 00:44:37,790
but again a lot of these guys I think

1120
00:44:42,309 --> 00:44:40,099
again they're limiting but I do like

1121
00:44:44,230 --> 00:44:42,319
their work the issue I have with John

1122
00:44:46,839 --> 00:44:44,240
lash I did like his book not in His

1123
00:44:48,970 --> 00:44:46,849
image enjoyed his book a lot but as

1124
00:44:51,579 --> 00:44:48,980
others have time not a scholar but I

1125
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:51,589
have talked to Coptic scholars I like to

1126
00:44:55,510 --> 00:44:53,210
hang out with scholar so I can learn I

1127
00:44:58,990 --> 00:44:55,520
have a lot to learn but they tell me

1128
00:45:01,210 --> 00:44:59,000
that lash does take a lot of liberties

1129
00:45:03,579 --> 00:45:01,220
with his translations he does his own

1130
00:45:05,710 --> 00:45:03,589
translation and a lot of things end up

1131
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:05,720
just not jiving

1132
00:45:09,910 --> 00:45:08,090
well I mean I don't think his benign

1133
00:45:11,710 --> 00:45:09,920
view of the world that's something that

1134
00:45:13,930 --> 00:45:11,720
the Gnostics would have not accepted

1135
00:45:16,750 --> 00:45:13,940
they thought that world was suffering

1136
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:16,760
and there was divinity in this world but

1137
00:45:21,670 --> 00:45:19,370
as a whole the system was evil and meant

1138
00:45:24,820 --> 00:45:21,680
to destroy you or at least it had his

1139
00:45:26,530 --> 00:45:24,830
own agendas so I think last short of he

1140
00:45:29,020 --> 00:45:26,540
I think he drops the ball in that way

1141
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:29,030
but other than that I like again I like

1142
00:45:33,310 --> 00:45:31,010
survive I like their thrust I like their

1143
00:45:35,530 --> 00:45:33,320
paranoia and I like the fact that they

1144
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:35,540
keep the ball moving forward fair enough

1145
00:45:40,180 --> 00:45:37,850
and it is interesting some people are

1146
00:45:44,020 --> 00:45:40,190
saying that they think the whole alien

1147
00:45:46,110 --> 00:45:44,030
motif is a kind of cover for spiritual

1148
00:45:48,730 --> 00:45:46,120
entities that seems to be the more

1149
00:45:51,940 --> 00:45:48,740
nuanced view in these circles than it

1150
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:51,950
was like say in the 90s yeah I would say

1151
00:45:56,710 --> 00:45:53,810
so too I mean I I've had an

1152
00:45:58,750 --> 00:45:56,720
extraterrestrial experience but again I

1153
00:46:01,330 --> 00:45:58,760
draw from a Whitley Strieber I don't try

1154
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:01,340
to settle and say this is from Planet

1155
00:46:05,830 --> 00:46:02,810
and these are the graves and these

1156
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:05,840
Heights or anything like that I try to

1157
00:46:10,870 --> 00:46:08,690
see what is going on inside me what's

1158
00:46:13,420 --> 00:46:10,880
happening in my inner world and get this

1159
00:46:16,090 --> 00:46:13,430
help me expand my consciousness and I'll

1160
00:46:18,010 --> 00:46:16,100
just wait around for the next time this

1161
00:46:20,590 --> 00:46:18,020
other intelligence decides to download

1162
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:20,600
some information into my brain that will

1163
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:23,330
show up as images around me but yeah the

1164
00:46:28,810 --> 00:46:26,690
alien is great but again it's not

1165
00:46:30,910 --> 00:46:28,820
something we're going to figure out and

1166
00:46:33,310 --> 00:46:30,920
so you might as well continue on this

1167
00:46:34,990 --> 00:46:33,320
wonderful journey of adventure I mean

1168
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:35,000
isn't that what they always say that

1169
00:46:40,630 --> 00:46:36,850
people who have alien abduction

1170
00:46:43,110 --> 00:46:40,640
experiences become really good people

1171
00:46:45,940 --> 00:46:43,120
they start helping others they start

1172
00:46:47,620 --> 00:46:45,950
their lives are completely transformed

1173
00:46:49,810 --> 00:46:47,630
and they're not so much worried about

1174
00:46:51,910 --> 00:46:49,820
being obsessed with finding the next

1175
00:46:53,950 --> 00:46:51,920
alien encounter and so forth so I think

1176
00:46:56,470 --> 00:46:53,960
that's that's the thrust I would have

1177
00:46:58,990 --> 00:46:56,480
yeah you know that is really interesting

1178
00:47:01,140 --> 00:46:59,000
and it kind of touches on another

1179
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:01,150
question that I have for you which is

1180
00:47:05,740 --> 00:47:03,770
kind of a weird when I guess but what do

1181
00:47:10,150 --> 00:47:05,750
you think about the idea I've heard some

1182
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:10,160
people pushing that Jesus wasn't ever a

1183
00:47:15,100 --> 00:47:12,890
physical guy but just a channeled entity

1184
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:15,110
because like you said those messages do

1185
00:47:19,749 --> 00:47:17,810
kind of parallel what weird paranormal

1186
00:47:22,509 --> 00:47:19,759
experiences of today

1187
00:47:24,039 --> 00:47:22,519
seemed to say the messages I would

1188
00:47:26,739 --> 00:47:24,049
certainly definitely would agree with

1189
00:47:28,599 --> 00:47:26,749
that one I mean as people who listen to

1190
00:47:30,399 --> 00:47:28,609
a on by Gnostic radio known for my

1191
00:47:33,909 --> 00:47:30,409
writings I fall more into the missus

1192
00:47:37,089 --> 00:47:33,919
camp with a cheerio s and Robert price

1193
00:47:39,279 --> 00:47:37,099
Jo at will and some of the others which

1194
00:47:41,169 --> 00:47:39,289
I think Jesus is more of a myth and I

1195
00:47:44,049 --> 00:47:41,179
don't mean like a myth with a small M

1196
00:47:46,659 --> 00:47:44,059
but a myth was a big a myth is in this

1197
00:47:49,709 --> 00:47:46,669
you might say cosmic power this great

1198
00:47:53,139 --> 00:47:49,719
archetype this sort of yeah this great

1199
00:47:54,819 --> 00:47:53,149
spiritual energy that we can use in

1200
00:47:56,949 --> 00:47:54,829
different ways and the Gnostics since

1201
00:47:58,599 --> 00:47:56,959
they were writing so many different

1202
00:48:00,939 --> 00:47:58,609
versions of Jesus again it was like

1203
00:48:02,620 --> 00:48:00,949
their fan fiction it was he was like

1204
00:48:04,899 --> 00:48:02,630
their Batman it's like in this story

1205
00:48:07,269 --> 00:48:04,909
he's doing this that story he's doing

1206
00:48:09,039 --> 00:48:07,279
that in this story he's teaching this he

1207
00:48:12,009 --> 00:48:09,049
became sort of their their inner

1208
00:48:14,679 --> 00:48:12,019
projection of what they wanted to do so

1209
00:48:16,749 --> 00:48:14,689
in that way I I don't see Jesus a

1210
00:48:18,429 --> 00:48:16,759
historical figure it's not something I

1211
00:48:20,859 --> 00:48:18,439
don't it's not my dogma I don't really

1212
00:48:23,019 --> 00:48:20,869
think much about it I decide to look at

1213
00:48:24,669 --> 00:48:23,029
the stories and find inspiration from

1214
00:48:27,429 --> 00:48:24,679
these stories as I do so many other

1215
00:48:30,249 --> 00:48:27,439
characters I mean you might say you know

1216
00:48:32,439 --> 00:48:30,259
Atticus Finch and tequila Mockingbird

1217
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:32,449
never existed but that's a much more

1218
00:48:36,879 --> 00:48:34,249
inspirational character than most

1219
00:48:38,739 --> 00:48:36,889
religious figures you'll find real or

1220
00:48:40,509 --> 00:48:38,749
not so that's where the inspiration

1221
00:48:44,409 --> 00:48:40,519
happens and I think that's where the

1222
00:48:47,289 --> 00:48:44,419
true power is hmm yeah man I do find it

1223
00:48:50,169 --> 00:48:47,299
really interesting the way they seem to

1224
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:50,179
play with the characters of the biblical

1225
00:48:54,759 --> 00:48:52,130
story and there are some insightful

1226
00:48:56,249 --> 00:48:54,769
lessons and texts like these but like

1227
00:48:58,569 --> 00:48:56,259
you mentioned it's kind of similar to

1228
00:49:00,699 --> 00:48:58,579
comic books or that kind of approach

1229
00:49:02,649 --> 00:49:00,709
that fan fiction approach in it you know

1230
00:49:04,929 --> 00:49:02,659
from your perspective of someone who's

1231
00:49:06,879 --> 00:49:04,939
spent so much time and if it takes hours

1232
00:49:09,159 --> 00:49:06,889
and hours and years and years to really

1233
00:49:11,559 --> 00:49:09,169
digest these texts and become

1234
00:49:14,469 --> 00:49:11,569
knowledgeable about these ancient sex

1235
00:49:16,449 --> 00:49:14,479
it's a hell of a rabbit hole I mean what

1236
00:49:17,709 --> 00:49:16,459
value does it have to you what do you

1237
00:49:20,819 --> 00:49:17,719
think of the most important things

1238
00:49:24,189 --> 00:49:20,829
you've gotten out of this epic study of

1239
00:49:27,489 --> 00:49:24,199
really just these I guess forbidden

1240
00:49:29,859 --> 00:49:27,499
Gospels in a way yeah I mean I think is

1241
00:49:32,229 --> 00:49:29,869
April Taconic wrote the Gnostic Gospels

1242
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:32,239
didn't become forbidden they were

1243
00:49:35,530 --> 00:49:33,170
forbidden

1244
00:49:38,349 --> 00:49:35,540
from the very start they or something so

1245
00:49:40,030 --> 00:49:38,359
radical and they're even radical today I

1246
00:49:42,250 --> 00:49:40,040
mean for somebody to question the gods

1247
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:42,260
and the representatives and the whole

1248
00:49:47,380 --> 00:49:44,930
state of nature that's still pretty

1249
00:49:48,940 --> 00:49:47,390
radical even in a cult circle that makes

1250
00:49:51,220 --> 00:49:48,950
people really uncomfortably like oh my

1251
00:49:53,349 --> 00:49:51,230
god you're missing with Gaian nature is

1252
00:49:54,130 --> 00:49:53,359
so wonderful it's like yeah okay mmhmm

1253
00:49:57,010 --> 00:49:54,140
yeah

1254
00:49:59,170 --> 00:49:57,020
or whatever but it was very radical and

1255
00:50:01,750 --> 00:49:59,180
to me was again that sort of amazing

1256
00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:01,760
rebellion is like you know when I was

1257
00:50:07,420 --> 00:50:04,730
younger I went through my hip each stage

1258
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:07,430
and sometimes I think well maybe yon

1259
00:50:11,349 --> 00:50:09,680
Irving and a.j diorite this is

1260
00:50:13,569 --> 00:50:11,359
completely manufacture because the

1261
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:13,579
hippies they just sold out and became

1262
00:50:17,829 --> 00:50:15,770
lawyers and politicians and the people

1263
00:50:20,079 --> 00:50:17,839
that are causing the trouble today

1264
00:50:21,730 --> 00:50:20,089
and I was the same way I was younger and

1265
00:50:23,289 --> 00:50:21,740
I was like yeah I'm gonna listen to

1266
00:50:26,470 --> 00:50:23,299
Megadeth and Rage Against the Machine

1267
00:50:28,150 --> 00:50:26,480
and fight the power man it's almost like

1268
00:50:31,089 --> 00:50:28,160
as soon as I got out of college and got

1269
00:50:34,299 --> 00:50:31,099
married I just went into nine-to-five

1270
00:50:36,309 --> 00:50:34,309
job paid my bills vote it's like what

1271
00:50:38,410 --> 00:50:36,319
happened to me how does that happen it

1272
00:50:40,059 --> 00:50:38,420
seems to happen everyone why is it so

1273
00:50:42,069 --> 00:50:40,069
easy for people to sell out in this

1274
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:42,079
world why did I sell out why did my

1275
00:50:47,740 --> 00:50:44,930
uncle in my aunt's a hippie sell out so

1276
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:47,750
quickly and everybody's miserable when I

1277
00:50:52,059 --> 00:50:50,210
discovered the Gnostics I said ah this

1278
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:52,069
takes it even further this is even more

1279
00:50:57,210 --> 00:50:54,770
radical than all the radical teachings

1280
00:50:59,740 --> 00:50:57,220
I'd heard from the east from

1281
00:51:01,510 --> 00:50:59,750
philosophers from writers this is the

1282
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:01,520
most radical thing in the world we live

1283
00:51:06,130 --> 00:51:03,770
in a false world we don't belong in this

1284
00:51:08,410 --> 00:51:06,140
world we are being completely controlled

1285
00:51:10,210 --> 00:51:08,420
by these higher entities that in a

1286
00:51:12,789 --> 00:51:10,220
material way we have no chance of

1287
00:51:14,950 --> 00:51:12,799
defeating but in a way we are far

1288
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:14,960
superior to them there is part of us

1289
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:17,690
that can wake up and become even more

1290
00:51:22,210 --> 00:51:20,210
supreme than them and really help out

1291
00:51:25,089 --> 00:51:22,220
those that are needing them so the

1292
00:51:27,069 --> 00:51:25,099
Gnostics being so radical extremely

1293
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:27,079
radical really helped me sort of get

1294
00:51:32,530 --> 00:51:30,170
that thrust and again people say well

1295
00:51:34,510 --> 00:51:32,540
it's so negative but when you read their

1296
00:51:37,270 --> 00:51:34,520
text beyond what I said about

1297
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:37,280
self-knowledge there is an amazing joy

1298
00:51:41,410 --> 00:51:39,290
that I've never seen before because

1299
00:51:43,660 --> 00:51:41,420
again they had woken up and seeing the

1300
00:51:45,750 --> 00:51:43,670
truth of the world and now they really

1301
00:51:48,060 --> 00:51:45,760
wanted to do something about it and they

1302
00:51:50,070 --> 00:51:48,070
the red pill and there was no blue pill

1303
00:51:52,380 --> 00:51:50,080
and they were going to move forward and

1304
00:51:54,810 --> 00:51:52,390
take it all the way there was no getting

1305
00:51:57,630 --> 00:51:54,820
there like I mentioned it would take

1306
00:52:00,000 --> 00:51:57,640
these flights inside and outside to all

1307
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:00,010
these cosmic region to these levels and

1308
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:02,170
like a video game fight a bigger boss

1309
00:52:07,410 --> 00:52:04,810
each time a stronger boss and they were

1310
00:52:09,660 --> 00:52:07,420
just going to keep going until well

1311
00:52:11,190 --> 00:52:09,670
until the game ended and usually the

1312
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:11,200
game ended with them being destroyed

1313
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:13,210
their physical part being destroyed but

1314
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:14,650
as a narrative I really find that

1315
00:52:20,660 --> 00:52:17,610
amazingly heroic I find it amazing

1316
00:52:22,470 --> 00:52:20,670
compassionate and I find it amazingly

1317
00:52:24,450 --> 00:52:22,480
stimulating because there were such

1318
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:24,460
people of reason and there were people

1319
00:52:28,500 --> 00:52:26,530
of kindness that really did walk the

1320
00:52:32,010 --> 00:52:28,510
walk when you read stories of the

1321
00:52:34,290 --> 00:52:32,020
Cathars of the Manicheans or the classic

1322
00:52:36,350 --> 00:52:34,300
Gnostics they were always despite their

1323
00:52:39,050 --> 00:52:36,360
really heavy-handed message their

1324
00:52:41,610 --> 00:52:39,060
existentialist message they were really

1325
00:52:43,650 --> 00:52:41,620
beloved by their communities they were

1326
00:52:45,540 --> 00:52:43,660
embraced by people people really liked

1327
00:52:48,930 --> 00:52:45,550
them the people that didn't like him

1328
00:52:51,930 --> 00:52:48,940
were the religious and secular powers

1329
00:52:53,310 --> 00:52:51,940
around us eventually they had to go and

1330
00:52:56,510 --> 00:52:53,320
I think the other thing that the

1331
00:52:59,880 --> 00:52:56,520
Gnostics really at least touched with me

1332
00:53:02,160 --> 00:52:59,890
was I think their central tenet was

1333
00:53:04,830 --> 00:53:02,170
beyond anything beyond anything that

1334
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:04,840
wanted in this world is that they wanted

1335
00:53:11,070 --> 00:53:07,330
freedom they wanted complete an

1336
00:53:12,720 --> 00:53:11,080
unadulterated freedom they thought like

1337
00:53:15,450 --> 00:53:12,730
for example when you read the

1338
00:53:17,490 --> 00:53:15,460
existentialist like Sartre and those

1339
00:53:20,220 --> 00:53:17,500
guys they always thought the whole

1340
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:20,230
purpose of being a human was to be free

1341
00:53:24,690 --> 00:53:22,450
but after that there was no meaning to

1342
00:53:28,110 --> 00:53:24,700
the universe this was a dark universe

1343
00:53:29,990 --> 00:53:28,120
had no meeting being free was as good as

1344
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:30,000
you've got and that was a worthy fight

1345
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:32,770
the Gnostics took it one step they were

1346
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:35,290
sort of the positive extensionists that

1347
00:53:40,770 --> 00:53:38,290
you find in Colin Wilson and some other

1348
00:53:44,190 --> 00:53:40,780
thinkers they believed no the ultimate

1349
00:53:45,930 --> 00:53:44,200
state for human is to be free and then

1350
00:53:48,330 --> 00:53:45,940
to find meaning in this world because

1351
00:53:50,370 --> 00:53:48,340
it's a busy universe with a lot of

1352
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:50,380
spiritual entities and a lot of amazing

1353
00:53:57,350 --> 00:53:53,650
places to go I'd like to quote Eric

1354
00:54:00,039 --> 00:53:57,360
Davis he's a philip k dick scholar and

1355
00:54:02,439 --> 00:54:00,049
in his book nomad

1356
00:54:05,169 --> 00:54:02,449
he has this great quote which I always

1357
00:54:08,199 --> 00:54:05,179
think exemplifies what the Gnostics have

1358
00:54:10,209 --> 00:54:08,209
taught me and it goes quote I'd like to

1359
00:54:13,419 --> 00:54:10,219
suggest instead that the impulse to

1360
00:54:16,390 --> 00:54:13,429
transcend the neoplatonism through the

1361
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:16,400
spheres the Gnostic sudden awakening the

1362
00:54:21,729 --> 00:54:18,410
desert monks rejection of the Allonby

1363
00:54:24,519 --> 00:54:21,739
Tao is not simply a philosophical error

1364
00:54:26,859 --> 00:54:24,529
of the mark of patriarchy but is fired

1365
00:54:30,429 --> 00:54:26,869
by an intensely lucid yearning of the

1366
00:54:33,039 --> 00:54:30,439
highest of goals liberation and I think

1367
00:54:35,499 --> 00:54:33,049
that's what the Gnostics wanted hmm and

1368
00:54:36,999 --> 00:54:35,509
what I want what I've always wanted what

1369
00:54:40,390 --> 00:54:37,009
we always want we would just want to be

1370
00:54:41,890 --> 00:54:40,400
free of course yeah and you know I'm

1371
00:54:44,319 --> 00:54:41,900
sure a lot of credit needs to go to the

1372
00:54:47,650 --> 00:54:44,329
matrix but Gnosticism seems to be just a

1373
00:54:49,329 --> 00:54:47,660
really popular perspective today overall

1374
00:54:51,039 --> 00:54:49,339
and I mean we did talk about that a

1375
00:54:52,870 --> 00:54:51,049
little bit but as we're kind of wrapping

1376
00:54:56,349 --> 00:54:52,880
this thing up why do you think that is

1377
00:54:59,370 --> 00:54:56,359
that it's so appealing today as it was I

1378
00:55:02,319 --> 00:54:59,380
guess the beginning of recorded history

1379
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:02,329
well I mean God did mention the allegory

1380
00:55:05,739 --> 00:55:03,650
of the cave but I think it's because

1381
00:55:08,489 --> 00:55:05,749
again we do live in Gnostic times and

1382
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:08,499
it's such an engaging narrative I mean

1383
00:55:12,849 --> 00:55:10,729
humanity has tried everything in this

1384
00:55:15,999 --> 00:55:12,859
idea of going through different bosses

1385
00:55:18,009 --> 00:55:16,009
and fighting your way up to an ultimate

1386
00:55:20,429 --> 00:55:18,019
source which again what's the Gnostic

1387
00:55:23,469 --> 00:55:20,439
promise like I told you complete and

1388
00:55:25,419 --> 00:55:23,479
unadulterated freedom at any cost

1389
00:55:29,589 --> 00:55:25,429
because we realized there probably is no

1390
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:29,599
freedom in normative mainstream ways so

1391
00:55:35,319 --> 00:55:33,410
I think these ideas really jive well and

1392
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:35,329
of course the Gnostics has this sort of

1393
00:55:40,779 --> 00:55:39,170
alien or sci-fi sensibility because they

1394
00:55:43,029 --> 00:55:40,789
almost like they're the archons are

1395
00:55:45,549 --> 00:55:43,039
almost like Lovecraftian foes and

1396
00:55:48,519 --> 00:55:45,559
they're talking about these giants or

1397
00:55:51,309 --> 00:55:48,529
these these vast cosmic landscape and

1398
00:55:54,279 --> 00:55:51,319
universes of light and so forth and

1399
00:55:55,959 --> 00:55:54,289
Jesus and other of their exemplars are

1400
00:55:57,759 --> 00:55:55,969
sort of shape-shifting and have

1401
00:56:00,189 --> 00:55:57,769
superpowers you have some stories where

1402
00:56:01,959 --> 00:56:00,199
Jesus is moving the zodiac and he's

1403
00:56:04,419 --> 00:56:01,969
shifting into different creatures he's

1404
00:56:06,759 --> 00:56:04,429
almost like a superhero same with Sophia

1405
00:56:09,699 --> 00:56:06,769
and Mary Magdalene so this kind of

1406
00:56:12,549 --> 00:56:09,709
narrative which was ahead of its time

1407
00:56:13,700 --> 00:56:12,559
and it seems to caught up really drives

1408
00:56:15,710 --> 00:56:13,710
well with science

1409
00:56:18,410 --> 00:56:15,720
fiction/fantasy which are the great

1410
00:56:19,849 --> 00:56:18,420
myths of our time so it really works

1411
00:56:22,130 --> 00:56:19,859
well and again like I said these are

1412
00:56:23,870 --> 00:56:22,140
Gnostic times I mean the matrix is a

1413
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:23,880
great example but some have said that

1414
00:56:30,470 --> 00:56:28,050
the Wachowski siblings basically

1415
00:56:32,750 --> 00:56:30,480
borrowed this from either from Grant

1416
00:56:35,329 --> 00:56:32,760
Morrison the Invisibles which I highly

1417
00:56:37,430 --> 00:56:35,339
recommend it's one of my favorite comic

1418
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:37,440
books of graphic novels and he really

1419
00:56:41,900 --> 00:56:39,690
goes full gnosis but you see a lot of

1420
00:56:44,210 --> 00:56:41,910
the matrix in there and even before that

1421
00:56:46,700 --> 00:56:44,220
you've got philip k dick bill okay dick

1422
00:56:49,190 --> 00:56:46,710
was very influenced by the Gnostics in

1423
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:49,200
fact in his exegesis which was published

1424
00:56:54,710 --> 00:56:52,410
a few years ago he did what does he say

1425
00:56:55,579 --> 00:56:54,720
he says I am so into Gnosticism I can't

1426
00:56:57,680 --> 00:56:55,589
back out

1427
00:57:00,109 --> 00:56:57,690
basically philip k dick had taken that

1428
00:57:03,380 --> 00:57:00,119
red pill and he was going to some he was

1429
00:57:05,510 --> 00:57:03,390
into some high weirdness he ends up

1430
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:05,520
saying that in this sort of despair that

1431
00:57:09,710 --> 00:57:07,650
I'm too far into Gnosticism to back out

1432
00:57:12,890 --> 00:57:09,720
he says at the end of the paragraph he

1433
00:57:15,230 --> 00:57:12,900
says guess what Simon Magus lives and

1434
00:57:18,310 --> 00:57:15,240
that's a very powerful statement and of

1435
00:57:20,630 --> 00:57:18,320
course philip k dick sort of paranoia

1436
00:57:23,329 --> 00:57:20,640
existentialist speculative fiction has

1437
00:57:26,210 --> 00:57:23,339
become very popular today in many ways

1438
00:57:28,460 --> 00:57:26,220
as Michael Moorcock said we do live in a

1439
00:57:31,250 --> 00:57:28,470
philip k dick world because it seems as

1440
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:31,260
we're talking trump and deep stayed and

1441
00:57:35,540 --> 00:57:33,210
pizza gate all that that could come out

1442
00:57:37,940 --> 00:57:35,550
of a philip k dick novel he was writing

1443
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:37,950
that stuff almost as a prophecy you know

1444
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:41,570
50 60 years ago and it seems to be more

1445
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:44,250
relevant than ever and again going back

1446
00:57:48,859 --> 00:57:46,170
to simon magus and i should mention this

1447
00:57:50,780 --> 00:57:48,869
you've got when you published his red

1448
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:50,790
book a few years ago which kind of

1449
00:57:54,349 --> 00:57:52,410
coincided with philip k dick sex

1450
00:57:57,079 --> 00:57:54,359
editions these two posthumous works

1451
00:58:01,070 --> 00:57:57,089
there were sort of the private notes of

1452
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:01,080
these two giants in the red book Hume

1453
00:58:05,359 --> 00:58:03,930
has a traveler a companion that it takes

1454
00:58:07,130 --> 00:58:05,369
him through all the different worlds

1455
00:58:10,190 --> 00:58:07,140
again that sort of Gnostic shamanistic

1456
00:58:11,630 --> 00:58:10,200
voyage and his name is Philemon but

1457
00:58:15,380 --> 00:58:11,640
there is a note at the end of the book

1458
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:15,390
where you admit that Philemon is really

1459
00:58:21,290 --> 00:58:18,330
yes Simon Magus so in a way I think

1460
00:58:23,359 --> 00:58:21,300
Simon Magus has returned I think we do

1461
00:58:24,940 --> 00:58:23,369
live in very Gnostic times and it does

1462
00:58:27,609 --> 00:58:24,950
translate very well

1463
00:58:29,140 --> 00:58:27,619
two stories I was thinking it was a flat

1464
00:58:31,270 --> 00:58:29,150
earth when I'm seeing all this flat

1465
00:58:33,970 --> 00:58:31,280
theory and I'm thinking of that movie

1466
00:58:35,950 --> 00:58:33,980
Dark City have you ever seen it is that

1467
00:58:37,630 --> 00:58:35,960
right out of it the moon is fake the

1468
00:58:40,300 --> 00:58:37,640
stars are fake and we're sort of this

1469
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:40,310
dark flat planet with these creatures

1470
00:58:47,620 --> 00:58:43,730
playing with us all the time boom

1471
00:58:50,349 --> 00:58:47,630
gnostic times indeed huh Miguel O'Conner

1472
00:58:52,599 --> 00:58:50,359
going deep for sure let's get the

1473
00:58:55,359 --> 00:58:52,609
listeners some resources of course we

1474
00:58:57,670 --> 00:58:55,369
have your work and your synthesis maybe

1475
00:59:00,099 --> 00:58:57,680
give the people a few year favorite

1476
00:59:01,359 --> 00:59:00,109
Gnostic scholars or teachers and of

1477
00:59:04,329 --> 00:59:01,369
course reminding people where they can

1478
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:04,339
find your show and get more of what you

1479
00:59:08,829 --> 00:59:07,010
got going on certainly certainly go to

1480
00:59:11,770 --> 00:59:08,839
my website that's where it starts the

1481
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:11,780
god above God calm and there you'll find

1482
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:14,450
all my resources to buy my very various

1483
00:59:19,089 --> 00:59:17,210
books including my fiction books social

1484
00:59:21,940 --> 00:59:19,099
media my articles and of course you can

1485
00:59:25,329 --> 00:59:21,950
subscribe to my podcast I am by Gnostic

1486
00:59:28,150 --> 00:59:25,339
radio and I have listing and resources

1487
00:59:30,430 --> 00:59:28,160
all there to start your own heretical

1488
00:59:33,010 --> 00:59:30,440
journey if you so choose to take the red

1489
00:59:35,380 --> 00:59:33,020
pill as far as what's out there I'd say

1490
00:59:37,780 --> 00:59:35,390
if you want to really understand

1491
00:59:40,390 --> 00:59:37,790
Gnosticism I do like April the conex new

1492
00:59:42,069 --> 00:59:40,400
book the Gnostic new-age although

1493
00:59:43,660 --> 00:59:42,079
there's a lot of good works again I

1494
00:59:48,430 --> 00:59:43,670
would say read Grant Morrison's

1495
00:59:51,300 --> 00:59:48,440
Invisibles refill of K Dix valise watch

1496
00:59:54,250 --> 00:59:51,310
the matrix watch The Truman Show

1497
00:59:56,470 --> 00:59:54,260
snowpiercer the lego movie watch

1498
00:59:59,109 --> 00:59:56,480
Westworld there is a lot out there I

1499
01:00:00,550 --> 00:59:59,119
mean I think at the end of the day the

1500
01:00:02,380 --> 01:00:00,560
best thing you do is you need to start

1501
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:02,390
writing your story you need to start

1502
01:00:06,730 --> 01:00:04,130
what it's stefan eller

1503
01:00:09,220 --> 01:00:06,740
he's a gnostic theologian but he's also

1504
01:00:11,620 --> 01:00:09,230
scholarly says any serious artist is

1505
01:00:13,569 --> 01:00:11,630
already half a gnostic I think there's

1506
01:00:15,790 --> 01:00:13,579
an artist once you start digging into

1507
01:00:18,220 --> 01:00:15,800
reality once you start going in that

1508
01:00:20,050 --> 01:00:18,230
journey inward and you start playing

1509
01:00:22,300 --> 01:00:20,060
with reality through your art and your

1510
01:00:23,710 --> 01:00:22,310
expression and your invention you're

1511
01:00:25,750 --> 01:00:23,720
going to start hitting some Gnostic

1512
01:00:27,700 --> 01:00:25,760
notes sooner or later the question is

1513
01:00:29,380 --> 01:00:27,710
how far do you want to take it at the

1514
01:00:31,599 --> 01:00:29,390
end of the day it's simple do you want

1515
01:00:34,660 --> 01:00:31,609
to be free or do you want to be where

1516
01:00:38,279 --> 01:00:34,670
you are now a slave what is neo say

1517
01:00:40,079 --> 01:00:38,289
you're a slave trapped in the prison

1518
01:00:42,829 --> 01:00:40,089
and that you cannot touch or taste or

1519
01:00:45,239 --> 01:00:42,839
smell a prison of your own mind

1520
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:45,249
Touche not much of a choice where you

1521
01:00:50,130 --> 01:00:48,130
put it that way but awesome man I am

1522
01:00:52,919 --> 01:00:50,140
really happy we got to do this you're

1523
01:00:55,259 --> 01:00:52,929
doing some great work I do get those

1524
01:00:57,269 --> 01:00:55,269
very icky feelings about Orthodoxy and

1525
01:00:59,669 --> 01:00:57,279
conventional religion but Gnosticism

1526
01:01:01,169 --> 01:00:59,679
seems to be that spoonful of sugar that

1527
01:01:03,359 --> 01:01:01,179
helps the medicine go down and I

1528
01:01:05,939 --> 01:01:03,369
appreciate it more and more thanks again

1529
01:01:08,429 --> 01:01:05,949
man take care of yourself out there now

1530
01:01:10,079 --> 01:01:08,439
Thank You Greg you're doing great work

1531
01:01:13,849 --> 01:01:10,089
too and I really appreciate it

1532
01:01:16,769 --> 01:01:13,859
rock on [\h__\h] a rock on indeed thanks

1533
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:16,779
all right people were you not

1534
01:01:21,919 --> 01:01:18,130
entertained

1535
01:01:24,779 --> 01:01:21,929
miguel conner the true pope of Gnostic

1536
01:01:26,999 --> 01:01:24,789
podcasting so glad we were able to do

1537
01:01:29,819 --> 01:01:27,009
this i feel like we really did get a

1538
01:01:32,759 --> 01:01:29,829
crash course in gnostic scholarship and

1539
01:01:34,259 --> 01:01:32,769
that's pretty cool right obviously no

1540
01:01:36,239 --> 01:01:34,269
one can say they're an expert just

1541
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:36,249
listening to this but maybe we do have a

1542
01:01:40,709 --> 01:01:38,410
little higher level understanding than

1543
01:01:44,519 --> 01:01:40,719
we did previously miguel is just a fun

1544
01:01:46,529 --> 01:01:44,529
guy anyway so i am glad that i'm getting

1545
01:01:48,899 --> 01:01:46,539
to know another good podcaster in the

1546
01:01:51,390 --> 01:01:48,909
alternative space and his other voices

1547
01:01:52,079 --> 01:01:51,400
of Gnosticism book is definitely pretty

1548
01:01:54,719 --> 01:01:52,089
good too

1549
01:01:57,779 --> 01:01:54,729
I know when I had talked to Isaac wise

1550
01:01:59,309 --> 01:01:57,789
hop and the Star Wars show he had said

1551
01:02:01,229 --> 01:01:59,319
that he was a Christian and I made some

1552
01:02:04,049 --> 01:02:01,239
comments about Gnostics and certain

1553
01:02:06,449 --> 01:02:04,059
elements of magic and how it did seem to

1554
01:02:09,539 --> 01:02:06,459
apply to a lot of people who considered

1555
01:02:11,999 --> 01:02:09,549
themselves Christian so rather than the

1556
01:02:13,349 --> 01:02:12,009
perspective that magic is not something

1557
01:02:16,259 --> 01:02:13,359
Christians should play with it's

1558
01:02:18,809 --> 01:02:16,269
actually a restoration of the very roots

1559
01:02:20,429 --> 01:02:18,819
of your faith perhaps what do I know

1560
01:02:23,459 --> 01:02:20,439
but people wrote me and they were like

1561
01:02:25,699 --> 01:02:23,469
what the [\h__\h] were you getting so high

1562
01:02:29,669 --> 01:02:25,709
and mighty about Christians for and

1563
01:02:32,130 --> 01:02:29,679
honestly we had just recorded this show

1564
01:02:34,349 --> 01:02:32,140
and it was fresh in my mind and I was

1565
01:02:37,739 --> 01:02:34,359
just saying but I think some of the

1566
01:02:39,269 --> 01:02:37,749
Gnostic ideas and attitudes that we

1567
01:02:41,819 --> 01:02:39,279
talked about could probably apply to a

1568
01:02:43,769 --> 01:02:41,829
lot of us and it's cool just to know

1569
01:02:46,229 --> 01:02:43,779
more about groups that were a problem

1570
01:02:47,630 --> 01:02:46,239
for the authorities of the past and we

1571
01:02:51,330 --> 01:02:47,640
shouldn't let them fade into obscurity

1572
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:51,340
we should know about those people right

1573
01:02:55,410 --> 01:02:52,930
the kind of people you have to want to

1574
01:02:57,030 --> 01:02:55,420
learn about because they're not making a

1575
01:02:59,970 --> 01:02:57,040
Netflix series or a Broadway musical

1576
01:03:02,460 --> 01:02:59,980
about them anytime soon although that

1577
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:02,470
would be pretty sick but my point is

1578
01:03:06,570 --> 01:03:04,570
it's cool two episodes that I feel make

1579
01:03:08,610 --> 01:03:06,580
us all a bit more educated on an

1580
01:03:11,010 --> 01:03:08,620
alternative topic a little more deeply

1581
01:03:15,930 --> 01:03:11,020
even if it doesn't relate directly to

1582
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:15,940
how or being [\h__\h] is that fair a good

1583
01:03:22,710 --> 01:03:19,450
nonpartisan empty partisan even episode

1584
01:03:26,610 --> 01:03:22,720
four very polarizing times look to the

1585
01:03:27,740 --> 01:03:26,620
gnostics people so if you liked the

1586
01:03:29,940 --> 01:03:27,750
first hour today

1587
01:03:32,100 --> 01:03:29,950
you know you'll learn a lot more in the

1588
01:03:34,590 --> 01:03:32,110
second sign up for the higher side chats

1589
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:34,600
plus at the higher side chats plus calm

1590
01:03:39,870 --> 01:03:37,090
and get the second hour of all these

1591
01:03:42,900 --> 01:03:39,880
here higher side chats episodes in this

1592
01:03:45,540 --> 01:03:42,910
particular one we talked about gnostic

1593
01:03:47,220 --> 01:03:45,550
influence on crowley and de lima you

1594
01:03:49,860 --> 01:03:47,230
call it belief systems of the elite and

1595
01:03:53,250 --> 01:03:49,870
how better to describe them the elites

1596
01:03:55,950 --> 01:03:53,260
use of magic the witches covin that put

1597
01:03:58,200 --> 01:03:55,960
the binding spell on Trump we almost

1598
01:04:01,110 --> 01:03:58,210
made it through a whole episode without

1599
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:01,120
talking about Trump but what fun is that

1600
01:04:05,850 --> 01:04:04,090
really we also talked about the history

1601
01:04:08,550 --> 01:04:05,860
of manipulation and suppression of

1602
01:04:10,710 --> 01:04:08,560
various Gnostic groups and looking at

1603
01:04:13,620 --> 01:04:10,720
the most remote cultures for a glimpse

1604
01:04:15,540 --> 01:04:13,630
into the uncorrupted traditions talked

1605
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:15,550
about Buddhism and the Dalai Lama

1606
01:04:20,730 --> 01:04:18,610
dilemma portals overlooked characters

1607
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:20,740
and stories and Gnostic narratives and

1608
01:04:28,110 --> 01:04:24,610
of course HBO's Gnostic tale that is

1609
01:04:29,550 --> 01:04:28,120
West world and in positive news I can

1610
01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:29,560
say I'm getting caught back up now

1611
01:04:35,370 --> 01:04:32,530
several good shows in the can two more

1612
01:04:37,380 --> 01:04:35,380
great episodes coming out before the end

1613
01:04:39,090 --> 01:04:37,390
of the month and I'll see you then do

1614
01:04:42,060 --> 01:04:39,100
check out the t-shirts at the higher

1615
01:04:44,130 --> 01:04:42,070
side clothing dot-com or you can get

1616
01:04:46,620 --> 01:04:44,140
there by clicking shop on the typical

1617
01:04:49,620 --> 01:04:46,630
fireside chats website but there is a

1618
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:49,630
great lion headed snake Archon control

1619
01:04:53,460 --> 01:04:51,490
design that I think people would be

1620
01:04:55,770 --> 01:04:53,470
really into if you liked this show and

1621
01:04:58,740 --> 01:04:55,780
all the designs at the higher side

1622
01:05:01,380 --> 01:04:58,750
clothing of course are as deep and rich

1623
01:05:04,950 --> 01:05:01,390
as Miguel's voice if that were even

1624
01:05:08,099 --> 01:05:04,960
possible the guy's officially an adult

1625
01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:08,109
man I am working on it and that's why I

1626
01:05:13,230 --> 01:05:10,450
got to get out here I will see you soon

1627
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:13,240
check out a on bite Gnostic radio if you

1628
01:05:17,579 --> 01:05:15,010
want to dig deeper into my man Miguel

1629
01:05:19,770 --> 01:05:17,589
show and keep your pimp and strong

1630
01:05:21,510 --> 01:05:19,780
people your move are conic overlords

1631
01:05:24,089 --> 01:05:21,520
mind parasites of the elite and

1632
01:05:37,970 --> 01:05:24,099
suppressors of the path of true gnostic

1633
01:05:48,870 --> 01:05:40,950
test

1634
01:05:52,220 --> 01:05:48,880
control over everything nine fibers try

1635
01:06:01,820 --> 01:05:52,230
to feel yeah now gone bad doubting

1636
01:06:07,340 --> 01:06:01,830
failing hello can hear should i play man

1637
01:06:10,730 --> 01:06:07,350
I'm some [\h__\h] things we were younger

1638
01:06:13,350 --> 01:06:10,740
[Music]

1639
01:06:40,330 --> 01:06:13,360
I'll be thankful

1640
01:06:40,340 --> 01:07:29,270
[Music]

1641
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:42,150
so typical please talk about em well did

1642
01:08:07,060 --> 01:07:49,090
you ever hear argument enough we have no

1643
01:08:56,530 --> 01:08:14,290
[Music]

1644
01:09:33,550 --> 01:08:57,490
[Applause]